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Stretching the Comfort Zone

• Richard Nicholls • Season 2 • Episode 20

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In this episode, Richard & Fiona discuss the importance of stepping out of your comfort zone, overcoming anxiety, and taking actionable steps to achieve personal growth.


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Richard:

Hi there. Therapy Natters fans. Hey, look at this. It's time for another episode where two psychotherapists sit down and have a natter hopefully about something that you'd like us to natter about. And in about half an hour or so, we'll see if we can answer some of your questions. That might have been on your mind for a little while. I'm Richard, and this is Fiona. Hello, Fiona.

Fiona:

Hi Richard. How are you doing?

Richard:

Good. Very good. you know, as a therapist, I always try to get outta that habit when somebody says, how are you? To just go, fine. How are you to actually think, how am I, and I know there's a time and a place for that, but how am I, how am I feeling? I am feeling. That there's something good coming around the corner that's excitement.

Fiona:

Is it something specific or are you just vaguely thinking this, something exciting is gonna happen?

Richard:

It's just a feeling. I've been carrying around for a while. Here's something odd that happened to me a year or so ago. And this is the danger of the imagination sometimes. I was directing a play and it was a play where the main characters were about to win 8 million pounds on the national lottery. It was a comedy. There's this nana that wins the money and she loses the ticket and she doesn't want the family to have the money'cause they're a bit flaky and she doesn't cash it in. So the months and months and months go on. And they're still not cashing in this 8 million quid

Fiona:

Ooh, uncomfortable.

Richard:

I know. But. Because I absorbed the story of that play.'cause I was directing it. It was my little baby for a good four or five months. That was all, not all that was on my mind, but it was a big part of my life. Weirdly, it created a genuine sense, a felt sense of financial security, genuinely as if at some point soon I'm getting 8 million quid.

Fiona:

would be a better story if you had,

Richard:

but it genuinely did have a, an emotional impact on me as if it was real, as if all of this was going to happen to me.

Fiona:

did it encourage you to buy a ticket?

Richard:

it did. And I still subscribe to the National Lottery every week. Now it's on a standing order or direct debit or whatever. I mean, I've definitely spent more than I've won in the 12 months I've been doing it,

Fiona:

but if you're not in, you can't win. As they used to say, I think they the other way around, but yes,

Richard:

You gotta be in it to win it.

Fiona:

That's it. That's

Richard:

That works. and people will say that sometimes to me in therapy. They'll talk about how they might want to improve their life or the things they've got to do, and they're looking for the external world to make these things happen. But. You can't rely on the external world. You have to influence the external world to make it happen. If you want to win the lottery, you've gotta buy a ticket. If you want to become more confident, you've got to take the steps that make the things that you want to do seem easier and easier and easier.

Fiona:

manifesting without action.

Richard:

Yeah. But it's scary

Fiona:

Yeah.

Richard:

that's what we want to talk about today, is the fact that it is scary and sometimes you have to feel the fear and do it anyway, but how do. we bring that fear down and how can we get our brain used to these new things, whatever they might be. Have you got anything new? You got? Anything you wanna stretch your comfort zones with lately?

Fiona:

um, well, I've applied to do a course at Manchester Uni, but actually I don't really think it is stretching me now. I was thinking this morning that it's not stretching me enough.

Richard:

What's that? You've not mentioned this, I don't think.

Fiona:

I sort of do Egyptology.

Richard:

Oh, yes.

Fiona:

So, but I've, I've been doing a little tin pot one, which I finished and I thought, well, that was too easy. So, I don't know. Yeah. I do think I have a, a need to stretch myself a little bit intellectually, I think at the moment. That feels nice. As I said, it doesn't feel scary, So that's not quite right. Scary. A scary thing I want to do. Mm, no, I can't think of anything. Maybe that's'cause I'm happy in my comfort zone.

Richard:

Well, maybe yes. Maybe you've done all the work already. I know we're always a, work in progress, but

Fiona:

I'm, I'm blooming old.

Richard:

Bloomin old. You're not old. Old.

Fiona:

I'm not old, old, but I have done a lot. So yes, I've done, I've done things that think of cycling in India and the Great Wall of China, those sorts of things. Those were physical challenges that

Richard:

Hmm.

Fiona:

definitely outside of my comfort zone. And, you know, this is what we're talking about today, as you've said, the, the comfort zone and going outside of it.'cause we are all very used to that phrase, the comfort zone, aren't we? I mean, it's something we use all the time and we talk about something being outside, but it's almost as though it's a black and white. It's either in your comfort zone or it's out of your comfort zone.

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

and that's not really how life works, is it? There's usually sort of gray areas in between.

Richard:

Yeah. I think when we are stretching our comfort zone, we are going into another zone, but if you go too far out of your comfort zone, then you don't get habituated to it. It's just constantly scary. You've gone too far. We do need in order to. succeed in whatever, to a degree in pretty much anything that we are, we are taking the steps to do. You've got to stretch it a little bit. You've gotta poke your anxiety somewhat, but you can't go to. if on a scale of one to 10, one is, eh, this is fine, and 10 is, I genuinely feel I could drop dead at any second of a heart attack because this is just overwhelming, I can hardly breathe. You've gone a bit too far. We need somewhere in the middle on the sort of five or six, maybe seven at a push scale of, I really don't like this. Or maybe that is a bit, even that sounds a little bit too far. there aren't necessarily any rules. You do what works for you. but.

Fiona:

works for you. I, I just then thought about I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here.

Richard:

Mm-hmm.

Fiona:

The number of people who go on that saying that they've got a phobia of rats or snakes, and then they're putting a coffin underground full of rats or snakes. That to me seems to be going from zero comfort zone, sitting in your home in the UK or wherever it might be, usually. and not going to be meeting any rats or snakes, most likely, to completely the opposite degree. It's always struck me as bit weird that people can do it,

Richard:

Hmm.

Fiona:

but then you've got the fact that they're on the telly and they're getting paid.

Richard:

Well, flooding has been a technique within behaviorism probably for a long time.

Fiona:

you would, you wouldn't do it as quickly as that you would flood gradually? I think

Richard:

Well that's not flooding then, is it? It's graded exposure.

Fiona:

Well I dunno. Maybe. I dunno enough about flooding.

Richard:

I know there was a. An organization it was a therapy center. They've got a, a room set up with a load of big video screens, and they were doing flooding work in there. Somebody would say, this is what my phobia is, and they would go, yep, we've got some videos of that, and they would just fill the video wall with loads of these images and just put you in it and you're just surrounded

Fiona:

by that so that makes sense, but that wouldn't be real ones.

Richard:

No, but you try telling the brain that it's not real.

Fiona:

yes. I, I understand that many people, I mean, my father used to have to go through the newspapers on a daily basis to check there weren't any pictures of snakes in them.

Richard:

Oh.

Fiona:

before my mother got to the newspapers, you'd be surprised how often there are pictures of snakes in newspapers. So we talked about stretching ourselves. How about we call that zone that we are moving into the stretch zone.

Richard:

Mm-hmm. Yeah, that sounds good.

Fiona:

For our listeners visualise it, or think of it as a circle, as your comfort zone, where you're safe and comfortable. And then outside that a concentric circle, that's your stretch zone. And outside that you can have your panic zone. That's the bit that you really don't want to be going into. So that's what you're talking about. You know, sort of getting to the 8, 9, 10 bit, where it's too much. But the stretch zone is there. How wide it is. If you're doing the numbers, your comfort zone might be naught to three, and your stretch zone might be 4, 5, 6, 7, and your panic zone might be 8, 9, 10.

Richard:

Hmm. That sounds good.

Fiona:

But people will be different. and some people, for some things, a comfort zone might be really non-existent. Think of public speaking as a, an example. It's the number one fear in the world, isn't it? Public speaking.

Richard:

it is because it's about. Fear of judgment, fear of humiliation. You can break it down and there's other stuff going on there, but more people will be fearful of making a fool of themselves in front of somebody. Then their fear of actually dying. Fear of death is a fear that people will have.

Fiona:

That's number two on the list.

Richard:

Yeah. Number one is public speaking, being the center of attention.

Fiona:

I'd rather die than give a speech. Yes.

Richard:

so they say

Fiona:

So they say, yes

Richard:

that's how scary it is to a lot of people.

Fiona:

So their comfort zone, somebody like that, their comfort zone is going to be almost non-existent a dot,

Richard:

Mm-hmm.

Fiona:

but they've still got a stretch zone. So in that example of, let's say it's somebody who's been asked to be a best man,

Richard:

Very common. Yeah

Fiona:

and they want to do it, or it could be the bride or the groom who wants to make this, the speech at the, at the wedding, you can stretch it gradually by doing your speech just with you, nobody else. Then do it in the mirror, then do it with whoever it is, the groom or your best friend or one person. Then maybe do it with three people. And so gradually build it up. And what I've found, I dunno if you've experienced this, when I've worked with people with public speaking, they're always competent. So if it's a work presentation, they know the subject material.

Richard:

Mm.

Fiona:

So in terms of the, the wedding speech they will have written that speech. They will have got it down. The ones who don't have it, who are not going to be competent, are not going to be nervous.

Richard:

No cause they don't care.

Fiona:

Yeah You can use that stretch zone deliberately to increase the size of your comfort zone. Once you've done that, once you've tried it out in these different ways, your comfort zone will have grown. It doesn't mean you're not gonna be nervous on the day.

Richard:

If you care, you're gonna be, yeah.

Fiona:

you're gonna be nervous and that's absolutely fine. And everybody would recognise that.

Richard:

Yeah, and also people don't tend to judge because they see somebody who cares and is nervous. We've been running conferences on and off for decades now. But the feedback slips because that was always my job, wasn't it? Go and collect the feedback slips Richard, righto on I go.

Fiona:

I did the analysis the day after if I could manage to wait a day to, to do the analysis of the feedback slips. Yeah.

Richard:

and sometimes somebody was very clearly anxious, nervous in front of the audience, and they'd be stumbling over their words and they'd be apologising and going, oh, where was I? Where was I? Sorry about that. Sorry about that. Most people did not care. They would still score it highly based on the content and even the presentation sometimes. And maybe that's'cause there's an affinity that, oh, you are human. You're just like me. I couldn't do what you are doing up there, even though you're stumbling over your words. I still couldn't do that and I gotta admire that. You did it. Yes. High score

Fiona:

Yeah, sometimes it's better to be a little bit like that than to be overly slick.

Richard:

Yeah. There's a,

Fiona:

really want that overly slick thing.

Richard:

No.'cause it can get greasy and a bit, or slimy,

Fiona:

it's a bit not British.

Richard:

Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah.

Fiona:

being human in your public speaking is what that's about. Being a human being. And, you know, at a wedding, it's almost certainly gonna be that everybody's on your side. They want it to be good. Nobody's against you. And if they are, that's their problem. That's a bit weird.

Richard:

So if somebody is stretching their comfort zone and they're moving from their comfort zone into the stretch zone, then it's okay if when you do that, you're stumbling somewhat. Whatever it is. I think sometimes we have to treat ourselves like we are a toddler again, with that same level of respect and allow us to do those simple things that you might, you might look at it and go, well, I know plenty of people who can already do this. Well, you can't and you'd like to learn. That's a good thing. Stop hitting yourself with a stick because you can't do it yet and you've not practiced. No matter what it is.

Fiona:

Being comfortable with being uncomfortable.

Richard:

yes, yes, getting comfortable with being uncomfortable. And I think for so many aspects of life, that is where we need to live on a very regular basis. There's an old phrase, isn't there, that you do something every day that scares you. Was it Helen Keller that said something like that? That's the sort of thing she would say,

Fiona:

It is the sort of thing she would've said.

Richard:

in her way. incredible woman. I mean, I often

Fiona:

I don't understand that. I just, it's, it's beyond me

Richard:

It gives me goosebumps just thinking about somebody with so many limitations. Unable to speak, unable to hear blind. Just completely immersed in their own world, but somebody gave her a chance and said, I can help her. And in she must have been so bright naturally to, because how old was she? Seven or something when she was learning to speak?

Fiona:

I'm not sure.

Richard:

Just from having a hand under, under a tap.

Fiona:

I've heard about it when I was a kid, but haven't looked at it since, so I'm not,

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

that would be something to look into. Yeah.

Richard:

Boys, girls, and everybody in between who's listening. If you don't know anything about the woman, Helen Keller, do a deep dive into what she did. Somebody who couldn't speak, somebody who couldn't hear, somebody who couldn't see, became a public speaker. And you think how with practice.

Fiona:

Yeah. but it's important to use that as an inspiration, not as a, well, I'm bloody useless then because if she can do all that and I'm just struggling to go outta my door because it's scary out there. Then I'm, I'm a terrible, hopeless human being. No,

Richard:

Yeah, that's, that's not the stick you wanna be hitting yourself with. No, that's not fair. No. if Helen Keller had have done that, that'd have held her back. And maybe she did to a degree, but I think she was loved. At some point there were enough people around her that said. I believe in you. We can do this. You've got this. It's okay. Not everybody's got that foundation of the support around them, and that's why they come to therapy because we can help provide that support. But if you need to be your own therapist and provide your own support, then please do really

Fiona:

So what other examples are there of going outta your comfort zone?

Richard:

well. It's difficult because my world is all about anxiety. I see so many clients that come to me with anxious things, and their comfort zone has got smaller and smaller, so it's just become their bedroom or their home at

Fiona:

And working online doesn't help that.

Richard:

Yes.

Fiona:

'cause sometimes the actually getting out to go to therapy was entering the stretch zone, which. If you're physically staying in your literal, safe, comfortable place that doesn't help, but

Richard:

Mm. Yeah, absolutely. And then we have to put that into the treatment plan of, well, okay. How do you feel on a scale of one to 10 about just walking outta your house, putting something in the wheelie bin and coming back in? Yeah, that's, that's in the stretch zone. Okay, I'm sorry, but I want you to do that a couple of times a day if possible, please. And then that gets easier, and then you move to the end of the road,

Fiona:

Go to the post box

Richard:

yeah.

Fiona:

Gradually doing,

Richard:

yeah. And then you're taking the dog for a walk rather than just leaving it in to run around the garden and make a mess of everything. And then you hit yourself with a stick going, I'm such a bad dog owner. Do it for you and the dog. You know, if that's the case, because that's the story I hear a bit. So, yeah, that, that's, that's a really common one. What else are you thinking then?

Fiona:

I was thinking about, people who were stuck in a job that was not satisfying,

Richard:

Oh yes.

Fiona:

it's comfortable. They get their regular income. They know that at the end of the month they've got this amount coming in that'll pay the bills and all they have to do is get up in the morning, go to work, do whatever they're doing, come back

Richard:

For some people that's unfulfilling though.

Fiona:

But it could be unfulfilling. So there's a possibility there of thinking about what could be done to stretch, to get into a stretch zone without sort of jumping, you know, going. Let's, let's say going from a, a steady, um, nine to five job as I've described, where you've got the, the income, et cetera. Not just saying right hand in my notice, right. I'm, I'm, I've gone, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm gonna set up a business, um, an online business selling, I dunno what. And just going from one to the other. So that would be almost sort of going from the comfort zone into well, it's not even really a panic zone. It's into the unknown,

Richard:

Mm.

Fiona:

But you could stretch and gradually do something like that, but without just taking a massive leap.

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

I mean, we hear that with, um, people who train us as therapists, that they sort of sometimes, how do I, how do I take that step to go from being employed? To being a therapist. And you can do it gradually, and most people probably do. And quite often it's an external circumstance that leads to people doing it, like redundancy, for

Richard:

yeah. That's what happened to me. yeah. I was made. Yeah.

Fiona:

Now you say yes, it's

Richard:

Yeah, I was made redundant and went right, what am I gonna do with my time? And they gave me a couple of months pay to sort of sort myself out. And I just spent a couple of months just pushing leaflets through people's doors in January, slipping over. I remember falling over in the snow. Remember that 20 years later. Plus just, that's all I did for months on end. Just these little A5 leaflets that I printed off at home. Just a sheet of A4 with these two Lose weight. Quit smoking. Hypnotherapy can help you. Cut them in half with a paper slicer, and that's all I did day after day after day, and just got one client, which I saw every couple of weeks for a few months, and then got another client and it just builds and builds and builds. But, oh, actually. Because I'd started in a different clinic at that point. Yeah.'cause I was doing, yeah, of course. When I was not that everybody needs to know about the history of where I was working and how I was working. But I was doing some home visits as well. Yes. And I wonder if I hadn't have been made redundant, would I still have had that full-time job and was

Fiona:

Uh, it's, it's, it's a difficult, it's a difficult step to take.

Richard:

yeah. Especially when you are, I'm, I mean, I'm a people person and most therapists are,

Fiona:

Oh, I dunno. There's a lot of us who don't like people. I'm joking. joking. Semi.

Richard:

I can think of a couple Yeah. But, I knew quite early on being self-employed that, oh, I, I, I need colleagues I need more than this. Even if it's gonna cost me a lot of money in rent, I need to go and find a clinic that I can work out and make friends with the other therapists. And I think you spotted that, or elements of that in me maybe early on.'cause it was you that said, I might have a role for you within the NCH, the National Council for Hypnotherapy at the time. And I was, I, I been maybe redundant then. Uh, not quite sure, but we need somebody with your enthusiasm to come onto the committee and, and take part and do all these things. And that was, that was, there was some really imposter syndrome stuff there. What? Me? I've only been qualified about two years. What do I know? Well, we want you to organise some CPD so you can enjoy that CPD. Oh, okay. This ticks a box.

Fiona:

Yeah,

Richard:

I got free CPD and I got to make a load of new friends.

Fiona:

that was, that was you getting into your stretch zone?

Richard:

Oh, it was. Yeah. Yeah. It really was. But I like that I don't have a great deal of anxiety, or at least I don't associate anxiety with it, with it being a problem. I feel it and I feel it all the time. Do I feel it all the time? I remember saying that to my father-in-law once and he went, what? I went, oh, I'm constantly anxious. He went, whatcha, whatcha anxious about? I went, it's just always there. Now, it doesn't bother me, but it is always there in, in my heart, in my stomach. It is almost always

Fiona:

on something really, really important, which is the interpretation of a feeling.

Richard:

Yes.

Fiona:

And yeah, If, if I'm, planning a trip, for example, I will always be feeling anxious.

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

And sort of, but well, I should, shouldn't I? Because that's sort of what you're supposed to do.'cause it means I will, I will have prepared properly. And it's also excitement mixed in, so it's, it's perfectly fine. It's not a problem.

Richard:

Yeah. Like I say, nothing's a problem unless it causes a problem. But if you feel those feelings in your body and you go, oh no, here we go again. Oh, I can't. I can't I can't do it because of this feeling. Oh, don't let it stop you. Because sometimes that's how humans feel for one reason or another nature or nurture, and it's okay. But It's not gonna go away.

Fiona:

And yeah, it's, it's that it doesn't matter that I was, I was feeling anxious. I can't even remember what it was now, but there was something I was doing last week and I was thinking, why am I feeling anxious about this? This is something I usually do. It's perfectly fine. Um, and I just thought, oh, well I feel anxious. So what? Doesn't matter

Richard:

Yeah. And although we can get desensitised to a lot of stuff and some things becoming so far into our comfort zone that. No, this doesn't make me feel anything. It it, it is, but you hardly notice it because it doesn't matter. But there is, if you monitor somebody's blood pressure, heart rate, galvanic skin resistance, and the MRI stuff, see what's going on in the brain, yeah, there will be, there will be a change, but it's not noticeable to you anymore because that change is safe. That feeling is safe.

Fiona:

talked about, um, politicians before as to how they can not react to things that people say about them and how they can put themselves out there and, and be judged and so on. I wonder if that's going on with them. I wonder if they are actually having these bodily responses. I wonder if Trump is, um. Physically having the anxiety symptoms when he goes and stands up on the podium? Well, at the podium, not on it.

Richard:

I'd like to see that.

Fiona:

yeah, that would, that would be fun. Um, I wonder if he is, if he is doing that, but he just interprets them as Well, this is, this is just who I am and what I am and this is what I do.

Richard:

Yeah. And we call it the fight or flight response for a reason, because it is gonna create those feelings of I either need to run away and we call it anxiety, or I need to fight this, and we call it passion or anger. Depending on circumstances and, and our habits. Yeah. And I expect, I doubt he would say, I am emotional right now because he, he seems the type to think that that will be a weakness.

Fiona:

Yeah. I was listening to a, a case on court TV the other day when, um, the, the guy who. did the shooting. Um, apparently, and that's not in dispute. This was the why that's in dispute. Apparently he told, he said to his daughter after it had happened, Should I run? And they're using this to say, Well, that shows that he knew, that what he'd done was wrong. To me, it's, well, no,'cause that's fight or flight. You've got, if you sh if you just shot somebody, you are going to be full of adrenaline.

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

I mean hopefully.'cause if that would be a significant issue if you weren't

Richard:

Well, that's the difference. Yeah. That'd be a psychopath if they weren't. Yeah, Yeah,

Fiona:

so he's got adrenaline. That's your, your body telling you run away.

Richard:

yeah.

Fiona:

So the fact that he said to his daughter, should I run. To me is just, well, of course he would.

Richard:

Yeah.

Fiona:

That means nothing. And yet they're using it on this case to say, Well, that shows he knew it was wrong.

Richard:

Oh, that's just a rubbish legal system, you know? Um, um, we've got the same thing over here that it's somebody's job

Fiona:

just don't, we don't see it here'cause we don't see

Richard:

'cause it's not televised. No, I don't think I wanna see it to be fair.

Fiona:

Oh. I find it fascinating as you know, I mean there, some of the Scottish ones are televised now

Richard:

Oh are they?

Fiona:

there's series, there's a series on tv, but I can't think what it's called. But, um, where

Richard:

Well, we've all, we've all got our hyperfocus, haven't we? You know, we've all got our thing. That's yours.

Fiona:

It's just a, it's just a, yeah, an interest.

Richard:

It's a weird one, which sounds really judgmental, but it is a weird one. And that's okay.

Fiona:

Yeah, I

Richard:

Have weird interests.

Fiona:

the argumentation to be really interesting, even when I disagree with it, which of course I would sometimes'cause you know, it would be odd if I just agreed with everything on something I was interested in.

Richard:

I think I, the reason I struggle with that is because I've got a lot of empathy and I get too angry, I think, watching it,

Fiona:

There are some I can watch.

Richard:

it wouldn't be fun for me

Fiona:

There, there are, there are certainly some that, that I can't watch and others where it seems it's, so, I think it's because it's so far away from the actual event, that it's, it's easier. But yeah, there are definitely some that I, no, no, no, no. Not doing that one.

Richard:

There are gonna be some TV programs, some films you were talking earlier on about your dad having to, monitor the newspaper for snake pictures for your mum to make sure she didn't stumble across any. Well, we live in a world where there's information absolutely everywhere and there are gonna be some things that trigger certain people, some topics that, ah, this isn't fun. I, I don't think I wanna watch that sort of show. Then you scroll past it and that's okay. Just because somebody else says, Oh. Have you seen Baby Reindeer? What a great show. Wonderful acting, award-winning.

Fiona:

That was, that was one I couldn't do.

Richard:

It was very clever, cleverly done. Talented people. It really,

Fiona:

I started and I thought, no, this is not for me.

Richard:

Yep. my wife, Dawn, said the same thing. Hmm, I don't think I'm gonna like this. Don't like this. Because she's got too high a sense of justice. And when she can see that somebody's being unfairly treated, somebody's being manipulated or controlled, it just pushes her buttons too much. That's not the stretch zone, it's, it's, another zone altogether.

Fiona:

it might be a stretch zone, but not one that you need to go into.

Richard:

Yes,

Fiona:

You choose your stretches

Richard:

Just choose your stretches. Absolutely. Because like a PT would say, or somebody who's really into flex, genuine muscular flexibility. They're not gonna say, well, right, stick you on a rack. Then we've just gotta str pull your legs apart and, and now you can do the splits. So no, you go to where it is painful, but not so painful that you're gonna cause damage Well, we've had a right old natter today.

Fiona:

We have. Nice natter

Richard:

We really have. Yeah, it's been a lovely natter. Thank you for nattering with me today, Fiona.

Fiona:

you too.

Richard:

Well, thank you for listening everybody out there and if you've got any questions that follow up from today's episode. Fire'em off to us. You can WhatsApp us. You can text message us you can email us. There's forms on the website. You can't ring us. Don't have a phone number, but you can use the mobile number. That's part of the WhatsApp thing. And yeah, get in touch. Ask us some questions. Sign up for our Evolve to Thrive program if you want.'cause this ties in with one towards the end month, five week, something.

Fiona:

Month five week four. I think this ties in with

Richard:

Oh wow.

Fiona:

on to month six next week.

Richard:

Wow. That's the last of, there's gonna be the last month for everybody.

Fiona:

can't remember what we're talking about. I did look it up. Um,

Richard:

we'll deal with it

Fiona:

Well, surprise, surprise to all of us.

Richard:

It'll be a surprise for everybody. Yes. Alright, you beautiful people. Have a super week. If you need anything, you know where we are. you take care of yourselves. Bye for now.

Fiona:

Bye

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Fiona Biddle

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Richard Nicholls

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